Unstuck in June: The Dark Side of Professional Sport, Hereditary Hustling, and Shelling It Out

Unstuck Highlights - June

The Unstuck podcast rolled in to its fifth month with three compelling characters telling tales of triumph and despair. They may be celebrated businesspeople now but none of our guests enjoyed a straight line to success. These entrepreneurs hurdled many challenges – some business related and others profoundly personal. From the Stanley Cup to oyster farming in the Hamptons, we covered our widest range of topics to date. Our host Clive Sirkin delved deep into the personal lives of our guests. Here’s a quick summary of another riveting month on the pod!

‘Healing Together’ with Daniel Carcillo

Former NHL Player / CEO & Founder at Wesana Health

It’s not every day we get to chat to a major league player on the pod never mind a two-time Stanley Cup champion. Nicknamed ‘Car Bomb’ due to his combat role in the NHL, Daniel Carcillo had to fight brutal adversaries both on the rink and off it. He was just 15 when he moved away from home to pursue his goal of being a professional hockey player. Having left a small farming town in Ontario the life of an apprentice player hit hard as he spent half his teenage years on buses travelling to play against older, street-smart players. Daniel struggled in what he called a ‘cult-like’ environment and he suffered severe physical and emotional abuse. This experience set the tone for a difficult adulthood. Daniel’s dream life in the NHL was often more akin to a nightmare.

Battling depression and a concussion related brain injury, Daniel turned to alcohol and substances to dim the pain. His mental health deteriorated when he retired from hockey. Thankfully, Daniel searched for treatment which led him to the path he is on today. A friend recommended natural medicine in the form of psilocybin which had an immediate and forceful impact on Daniel’s mental state. For the first time in years, Daniel felt ‘normal’ and the depression began to cease. He is now on a mission to tell people about natural medicine through his company Wesana Health. Hear more about this incredible story of hockey, hopelessness and healing below.

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‘Nag ‘n’ Hustle’ with Chad Bronstein

CEO & Founder at Fyllo

Chad Bronstein was a ‘nag’ as a kid and that’s why his father knew he’d do well in life. Ultra-entrepreneurial in his youth, Chad was always open to opportunities for extra pocket money. He earned his first pay checks washing cars and repairing Nintendos. He owes his strong work ethic to his parents who he said were ‘hustlers’ but with ‘values’.  

While Chad was always destined to be an entrepreneur, he carved out an incredible impressive career in the corporate world as a champion salesman. In his first professional job he regularly trounced targets and became the #1 salesperson in the company. During his time at this firm a mentor advised him to pursue a sales role in AdTech where his skills would flourish even further. A job in CitySearch followed and Chad quickly became the #1 sales guy again peaking at 700% of target. This opened the opportunity to join Bankrate where Chad excelled again but had to work even harder to become the #1 performer. Gaining invaluable expertise and connections, Chad’s experience in the sales world also thought him to be resilient and how to respond to rejection. These are qualities which still benefit him today.

Chad eventually followed his entrepreneurial north star and created his own company – Fyllo. In his own words he is ‘meant to be doing what I’m doing now’. His values for leadership revolve around treating everyone with respect and getting buy in from every employee. Listen below to hear more about Chad’s experience and how he’s faring as CEO!

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‘The Hatchery’ with Jeff Ragovin

Host with 1 Billion + in Exits / Chief Commercial Officer at Fyllo

Whether you meet him in the boardroom or on a boat, Jeff Ragovin is ready for the next big catch. Fanatical about fishing and the ocean, Jeff’s latest project is an environmentally friendly hatchery that produces 20 million clams and oysters per year.

This isn’t the first time that Jeff’s passion for food and his work have acquiesced. In 2017, Jeff set up Digital Fork – an invite only and exclusive dining experience. It brings together senior level marketers and execs from the world’s top brands to eat, network, and share ideas in confidence. The scheme proved incredibly popular and there have been 55 dinners since its inception with more than 800 guests.

A decade prior to Digital Fork, Jeff laid the foundations for an incredible exit story when he co-founded Buddy Media. The concept was simple – Jeff and his team wanted to help brands create unique and engaging Facebook experiences. Through messaging and content tools, brands were able to take advantage of this new craze. Facebook took off and so did Buddy Media which earned $100m in funding over five years. This culminated in an acquisition by Salesforce for $800mn in 2012. Jeff opted to stay with Salesforce to continue the Buddy Media story before eventually departing the company in 2016. If you want to hear more about this incredible story of AdTech success, then tune in to the full episode below!

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Lighting up Agency Operations at The Old Shanghai Firecracker Factory

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We’re thrilled to announce The Old Shanghai Firecracker Factory has chosen Screendragon’s agency management software to streamline their operations in 2022 and beyond! The Johannesburg based agency has a glittering list of customers such as BMW, Mini, Dell, and FlySafair – and they will use Screendragon to service key clients, manage jobs and costing, and collaborate on work.

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The Old Shanghai Firecracker Factory joins a growing list of Screendragon clients in Africa and we’re delighted to have them on-board! You can see some of their great work here.

MarTech, Marketing Doctors & Agency Execs – May was Marketing Month on Unstuck!

May was Marketing Month on the Unstuck podcast as we heard from advertising agency leaders, a marketing doctor, and two MarTech entrepreneurs.

Agencies represent an important element of Screendragon’s customer base and the Unstuck listenership, so we were delighted to have agency leaders from Leo Burnett and Wieden & Kennedy on the pod. On the MarTech front, we heard about how two different technologies are helping marketing teams use social media posts to transform online ads and how quizzes and surveys power zero party data collection. In one of our most interesting discussions to date, we also learned about how studying hip hop lyrics can shape your marketing strategy – you need to listen to believe!


‘The Danger of Staying Still’ with Emma Montgomery’

Our opening guest in May was our first from down under as we spoke to Emma Montgomery, the amiable CEO of Leo Burnett Australia. Emma’s experience in the agency world isn’t limited to the Australian market as she held senior roles for both Leo Burnett and TBWA on the west and east coasts of the US. She’s now back in her home city of Sydney leading Leo Burnett’s award-winning Australian operation.

Emma’s journey in marketing and advertising was far from straightforward. With a degree in Politics and History, Emma wanted to pursue a career in social policy until she hit a major obstacle when she failed the Australian public service exam. Linear thinking wasn’t Emma’s strength, she was driven by curiosity around behavioral science and critical thinking which led her to a career guidance meeting and a sliding doors moment that changed her life. Hanging on the wall of the office was a job poster for a researcher position at Leo Burnett – Emma applied, got the job, and the rest is history. Listen below to hear about Emma’s life in advertising and why ‘getting stuck isn’t always a bad thing!

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‘Social Re-creation’ with Casey Saran

As part of the Unstuck small company feature, Clive introduced social ads platform Spaceback and their founder and CEO, Casey Saran. Having worked for Weather Underground and Google managing programmatic ads, Casey earned vast experience in the functioning of ad systems and discovered why they often deliver unsatisfactory results. It’s common for marketing teams to create generic online ads that run all year round without much time afforded to performance analysis or content changes. This led Casey to set up a creative automation platform called Spaceback.

In the early days of Spaceback, Casey discovered that social posts performed 5x times better than generic ads and that those who engaged on social media were more likely to click on a retargeting ad. Spaceback offers users the opportunity to easily convert social content and posts into programmatic ads so that online ads are kept fresh and current. Listen to the full episode below to hear how Casey’s team are ‘getting social beyond social’!

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‘Hip-hop Strategies’ with Dr. Marcus Collins

Many guests on Unstuck have told stories about how they ended up working in marketing by accident without studying the discipline or earning a degree. As suggested by his title, Dr Marcus Collins does not fall into this bracket and became our first guest that can be called a Marketing Doctor!

Marcus is the Chief Strategy Officer at Wieden & Kennedy while also lecturing at the University of Michigan School of Business. In this episode, Marcus explains how we was inspired to do his marketing PHD on hip-hop lyrics and why we can learn a lot about marketing vogue by listening closely to the artist’s lyrics. Marketers are always looking for the next big trend and Marcus found that hip-hop artists are often ahead of the curve! When not studying hip-hop, Marcus keeps busy investigating culture and virality and why some ideas cause ‘cultural contagion’ – this is where marketers need to step up and create contagious content!


‘Zero-party Data’ with Tom Coburn

Our penultimate guest of May was Tom Coburn – an entrepreneur that is building future-proof data collection methods for marketers. Labeled as the ‘world’s first zero party data collection platform’, Jebbit are creating new ways to obtain legally compliant marketing data puts user experience front and center.

Tom explains that people need to be happy to share their information with you to meet the ‘zero party’ standard. Through fun quizzes, interesting surveys, and quirky games, Jebbit are engaging web and mobile visitors in a unique way while procuring high quality contact data. In this episode, Tom explains why Jebbit was formed, how their quiz software works, and why the future of data collection is all just fun and games!

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Next up!

We’re taking a quick break in the first week of June but we’ll be back the following Tuesday with an incredible guest. After winning two Stanley Cups, our guest set up a mental health company after going through personal challenges. Tune in next week to hear his inspiring story!